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oy vey, LJ!

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May. 29th, 2007 | 07:05 pm
mood: angry
music: kidlet writing "Twelve Dancing Princeses" fanfic

For those of you who don't know, a bunch of journals got deleted based on the words in their "interests" profile. Everything from RPG characters, Lolita discussion groups and pornish_pixies to real scary pedophiles and child abusers.

jamoche posts one of the LJ Abuse team statements, which essentially says that someone complained, and they are required to shut down first and ask questions later. It has to do with the Communications Decency Act -- LJ doesn't edit or control content, but is required to remove anything accused of indecency.

Apparently some nutcase group called Warriors for Innocence is doing the accusing. liz_marcs asked them about it, they didn't really deny it. She also posted about their serious lack of child-protection credentials.

Here's the current list of deleted journals. And a refugee community on GreatestJournal: fandomtossed

All I can say is Oy Vey!

ETA: corrected GJ link. And I'm msilverstar on JF and GJ.

ETA2: I have erased all my interests from my profile except free speech

ETA3: I'm disturbed that LJ is stating that suspensions are permanent, rather than temporary while checking to see if there is actually any damaging content (as stated in a response from the Abuse team here).. And why is there no public statement from LJ on this? It belongs in news at the very least.

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Lilith

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from: lilithlotr
date: May. 30th, 2007 02:20 am (UTC)
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I suppose I should have seen this one coming, but I must say, I didn't.

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Lotripper

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from: msilverstar
date: May. 30th, 2007 03:13 am (UTC)
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I'm just so boggled. It's so DUMB.

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from: zillah975
date: May. 30th, 2007 02:39 am (UTC)
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Oop. The fandomtossed link only works for me if I enter it JL-style:

http://fandomtossed.greatestjournal.com/

And thank you for the info!

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Lotripper

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from: msilverstar
date: May. 30th, 2007 03:14 am (UTC)
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Thanks, I fixed the link.

And I continue to boggle. Lolita???

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from: zillah975
date: May. 30th, 2007 03:43 am (UTC)
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It's NUTS! I mean for crying out loud!

But check this response that ataniell93 got regarding her RPG journals that were deleted. Just, blarg.

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Lotripper

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from: msilverstar
date: May. 30th, 2007 04:13 am (UTC)
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That's awful. I hope some fandom lawyers can intervene and get the rps and fanfic "permanently suspended" accounts reinstated.

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Blackbird Song

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from: blackbird_song
date: May. 30th, 2007 05:09 am (UTC)
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Thank you for this post, the links, and the action you took about your interest list. I've just done the same thing for my journal and all the communities I mod. (I've saved the lists neatly in a word file, so that I can restore them later.) I'm going to post about this, and let people know what I've done, and where I got the idea.

Catherine

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Lotripper

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from: msilverstar
date: May. 30th, 2007 05:53 am (UTC)
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We have overlapping flists, it's useful to make (non-hysterical) posts to get the word out. I may dislike most incest fic (though I've read a couple with Fred and George that were OK), but I'll defend people's right to write and read them!

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Blackbird Song

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from: blackbird_song
date: May. 30th, 2007 06:06 am (UTC)
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Hear, hear! Those are my positions, exactly.

Incest-fic-wise, I've come across a smidgen of Elladan/Elrohir fic that was awfully well written, though most of the stuff I skimmed was utter garbage. The best one was a story about the extreme difficulties they had with each other after they did the nasty just once.

Catherine

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Stewardess

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from: stewardess
date: May. 30th, 2007 05:14 am (UTC)
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The person behind WfI seems no better than an online stalker. That's what is making me so angry. Why in the world didn't 6A tell her to stuff it?

For people wondering what a real volunteer anti-crime website/org looks like:

www.cyberangels.org

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Lotripper

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from: msilverstar
date: May. 30th, 2007 05:54 am (UTC)
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I'm wondering that too. Permanent suspension upon accusation? Wayyyyy overreacting here!

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The one known as Em

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from: toady2moo
date: May. 30th, 2007 05:36 am (UTC)
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I've had a read of this and some people talk about the US laws... it's strange that I, living in Australia have to do things by their laws just because of where the domain is located. Not bitching or anything, but I think some of this is going too far. Whatever happened to freedom of speech (even if it doesn't really exist in Australia)

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Lotripper

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from: msilverstar
date: May. 30th, 2007 05:56 am (UTC)
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I know, it's a World Wide Web but things can be narrow at times. However, I'm pretty sure I read that Australia's obscenity laws (or maybe child-related porn?) are more strict than the US.

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The one known as Em

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from: toady2moo
date: May. 30th, 2007 06:03 am (UTC)
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Not sure about obscenity laws but child porn laws and so forth are pretty strict. They're now even "blurring" babies privates on 'Funniest Home Videos' and soon they'll probably be blurring babies bums on TV ads etc.

BTW, love you icon ;)

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et tu, froote?

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from: berreh
date: May. 30th, 2007 11:56 am (UTC)
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Holy overreaction, Batman. I hope they see how bad this is making them look. They're becoming the equivalent of the high school library who banned a book because someone's daddy said it had a dirty word in it.

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Lotripper

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from: msilverstar
date: May. 30th, 2007 02:02 pm (UTC)
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Yep. They could do it so much better, but they're just flailing. :-(

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Gids

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from: giddy_london
date: May. 30th, 2007 01:20 pm (UTC)
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Here via blackbird_song...

FANTASTIC idea re your ETA2! I'm considering doing the same, right after I check the interests listed on all communities where I'm a mod/maintainer.

I agree with you on another point as well - LJ really ought to issue a public statement regarding this situation. It's one thing to permanently suspend users/communities actually interested in pedophilia, and entirely another to permanently suspend a fanfiction community which hosts fiction including incest and underage characters.

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Lotripper

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from: msilverstar
date: May. 30th, 2007 02:02 pm (UTC)
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Thanks, I was not the originator of the clear-the-interests meme but it makes sense to me.

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Lotripper

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from: msilverstar
date: May. 31st, 2007 03:12 am (UTC)
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I've friended you, we have to stick together!

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Gids

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from: giddy_london
date: May. 31st, 2007 03:41 am (UTC)
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Added you back!

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from: too_shy
date: May. 30th, 2007 05:32 pm (UTC)
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"And why is there no public statement from LJ on this? It belongs in news at the very least."

The answer to 'why' is always 'money'. I'm paraphrasing, but I got that from R.A. Heinlein. Of course they don't want to give high visibility to something like this.

Out of 13 million journals, which number is increasing by several thousand a day, a few dozen or even hundred (or even thousand) journals removed or abandoned for elsewhere may not make that big a difference. I think it is still a bad situation all around.

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Lotripper

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from: msilverstar
date: May. 31st, 2007 12:01 am (UTC)
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But most of those are free. We pay. I'm hoping fandompays gets their attention...

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the baby of the family

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from: knowledgequeen
date: May. 30th, 2007 09:42 pm (UTC)
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Just so you know, I friended you at GJ - I'm razorvalentine.

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Lotripper

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from: msilverstar
date: May. 31st, 2007 01:45 am (UTC)
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*friends back*

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Lilith

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from: lilithlotr
date: May. 31st, 2007 06:42 am (UTC)
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Just friended you on journalfen

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